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A creature that's a copy of either has a mana value of 0

I'm also not posting about any of the Innistrad: Midnight Hunt cards since we're more famaliar with those given they're what started this discussion in the first place

There are also plenty of ways to deal damage to your own creatures, either with direct damage spells, or cards like Forerunner of the Empire

Take a look at these lands, specifically their type line between the illustration and text box: Youll notice that Flooded Strand says Land, Hallowed Fountain reads Lands Plains Island, and the Island says Basic Land Island. Because Flooded Strand allows you to search your library for a Plains or an Island and doesnt specify basic or nonbasic , you could grab an Island or you could grab theHallowed Fountain shock land, since it has Plains and Island as its subtypes

If your creatures damage is greater than the others toughness, it will then kill it